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"the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> welcome to "the beat." we have a big show tonight. msnbc's jen psaki and actor sofia bush are both here, fresh off the dnc. that should be fun. by the end of the hour, one of obama's favorite ballerinas, misty copeland herself, will debut on our series. we begin with kamala harris and that barn-burner speech in southeast georgia. she finished just about 20 minutes ago. >> there is a full-on assault on hard-fought, hard-won freedoms and rights, including the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence. now, savannah, the baton is in our hands. >> those calls to freedom

familiar throughout this campaign, and that roaring crowd you could hear. harris has been continually checking boxes since jumping into this race, which is, of course, now the fastest shortest general election campaign for any nominee ever, because of president biden's late exit. so, she has inherited and rebooted the biden campaign team. she's been raising money. you've heard about that. she decided on her own campaign themes and the slogan and freedom. she picked a running mate. she executed a convention. and now, turns to the first press interview she's done as the nominee, and you may know there's a tradition of joint sitdown interviews with your running mate. harris doing that today with cnn in savannah. that full interview is slated to air later tonight. it has not aired yet. we do have the first excerpt, and we will be airing that in this program on this show in the coming hour. meanwhile, the trump campaign is trying to do its own "counterprogramming" against the harris interview tonight.

there's a tulsi gabbard town hall. donald trump has been drawing backlash. he has reposted vulgar and misleading memes and images and attacks about the vice president online, and that that could preview a tough or mean approach he could take at the september 10th debate. harris reportedly ramping up her debate prep with an eye on differentiating herself while also building on the biden legacy. everyone knows she's his vp, a quasi-incumbent in that sense, but also continuing to try to plan how to hit those marks, separate herself. her aides want to use the debate to draw contrast. they hope to cast donald trump as full of broken promises and "in a diminished state." that debate is within two weeks. early voting in some key states begins next month and it is now

just 67 days until election day. what does that mean? if you follow all this stuff closely, you've been in it for a while. you might have been one of the people following whether joe biden was going to get in or out and those couple of weeks where that was big news, but we can tell you, and we have the data on this. most people do not follow that. but they do watch the debates. that biden-trump debate of 2020, the covid debate, back then, it draw over 80 million viewers. the last biden-trump debate, i don't have to tell you, it had a seismic effect on the race and dislodged joe biden in a way and created the renewed democratic enthusiasm around harris. this next debate, the official start of the general election, here next week after labor day, these next few weeks are, by every measurable indicator, going to be the most significant for both candidates. so, where do we go from here? well, political analyst juanita oliver and our own colleague, rachel maddow and steve bennett

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momentum, the obama coalition, is juanita toliver, democratic strategist, author of "a more perfect party," which people can preorder. welcome back. what do you see in the momentum here? another week out from dnc, and while things can change fast, we've lived that this year, the trump campaign has not yet seemed to have found a way to respond to the harris enthusiasm. >> right. that's completely what it is, ari. there is still no response, as donald trump melts down on truth social, tweeting, posting, calling in to morning shows, to the point that his coms director doesn't even know what he's doing, but they don't have a response to be able to box in the vice president. meantime, she is out there rousing up these crowds in rural georgia today, in savannah, georgia, and engaging with voters directly, laying out her vision. i also did notice the big banner that said, "a new way forward," which signals a lot.

it signals that she is laying out more plans. it signals that she is making it clear that it's not just the frame of we're not going back, but she's the leader who wants to take the nation forward, and while she's talking about all the enthusiasm she sees, she's still reminding everyone, ari, there is a lot of work that needs to be done, so no matter whatever the polls are showing, no matter the enthusiasm gaps that democrats are enjoying right now, she's saying, we're still the underdogs in this race, and i think that communicates a lot to people who are organizing, to people who are expanding the coalition. it shows them that your work still needs to be put into volunteer shifts. your work still needs to go out into talking to your neighbors and community members about this race and making sure they get across the finish line in november. >> yeah. we're about to bring in your copilot, but for context, i want to show, in contrast to, say, maybe the decent response to tim walz, some of what has happened for jd vance. here he was talking to firefighters. let's take a look. >> thank you so much.

president trump and i are proud to be the most pro-worker republican ticket in history, and i want to talk about why we're fighting for working people, why we're going to fight for unions and nonunion alike. >> is it harder to lie with a live audience? we bring in our second guest on this point, steve bennen, a producer and editor of maddow blog here on msnbc, and he has a new book, "ministry of truth: democracy, reality, and the republicans' war on the recent past." i can tell you rachel loves it, voiced it. we're going to get into it, but we'll start with other news. steve, you've been a respected colleague here for a long time. >> i appreciate the lead-in. that clip of jd vance is a classic. >> it's an instant classic, and part of politics is putting the best spin on things.

i try to call it straight. we've covered democrats and republicans who are spinning their record, who are changing it up. but what do you see, again, in a contrast to walz that jd vance's effort to spin -- people can debate his economic record -- or, according to the union members, many of them, and they have a voice in this, steve, would say, lie about the labor policies of trump and vance? >> yeah, this is a recent history that's going to be awfully tough for the republican ticket to rewrite. i think it's no secret that donald trump and jd vance and the entire trump administration was actively hostile to labor unions throughout donald trump's presidency, so for jd vance to go to boston today and suggest that somehow that he and his running mate are going to be supportive of labor unions, it's bizarre. it's ridiculous. it's not surprising that he would -- that this kind of rhetoric would generate boos from the audience because i think the audience knows better. >> yeah. and it goes to sort of something

you and rachel have worked a lot on, which is the difference between traditional debates in politics and the outright lying that tries to disappear current or recent history, and we're going to get into that. juanita, sometimes, there are stories that they might fit a narrative, but the early reporting is not sturdy, and we try as best we can to get the facts first. so, on "the beat," for example, we didn't immediately go to this arlington cemetery story because initially, there wasn't a lot of firm footing. there's been a lot more reporting and official response from the military wing that makes the trump campaign look pretty bad here. i have the photo of trump at arlington cemetery. there he was. the incident here is reporting now that a trump aide was basically pushing aside someone who actually works at the cemetery -- this is basically the military cemetery to honor these people, these heroes -- but that they were sort of pushed during the actual

commemoration, and the statement we got out today, officially on the record, pushed back against trump campaign efforts to dissemble on this. it would seem to matter if you're trying to honor those fallen, but you're being accused, credibly, of being improper and potentially politicizing it. your thoughts? >> ari, i am the daughter, the granddaughter, the niece and the cousin of veterans and active duty service members. i have been to arlington cemetery and taken my loved ones to mourn their friends and loved ones who have passed, and i'm overwhelmed right now, seeing that image of donald trump with a thumbs up at the cemetery, because i've taken pictures of my family kneeled down beside the headstones of their friends and loved ones. i've taken those pictures of the tears that flow from the memories of their friends and

family, and this is just a jarring reminder of how disrespectful donald trump and his campaign team have been to everyone visiting this sacred ground. this is a cemetery. this is not the behavior at any cemetery, no less arlington cemetery, so to see this coming from a person who has mocked veterans for years, mocked them for being prisoners of war, mocked them for being injured while on active duty, mocked them for dying and losing their lives, it's truly disgraceful and disrespectful, and i think it's the exclamation point for how donald trump views veterans. >> yeah. wanted to get your view on that, and as i said, once the reporting was out, once the statement came out, basically, the cemetery standing by the official and saying, basically, that the campaign was out of line, which is not what you want to do if you're trying to honor those heroes, as i mentioned. juanita toliver, thank you. i wish you also happy long weekend and we'll see you soon. steve stays with me for the

book. it is called "ministry of truth: democracy, reality, and the republicans' war on the recent past." steve, i feel you. our team feels you. i think some of the audience, some of the citizenry might feel you, just this topic, and you're exploring how republicans are rewriting recent events in a way that is more brazen and really troubling because they're things we've lived through. i mentioned what a big supporter rachel maddow is of your work, and you guys are colleagues, so i'm going to play a little bit of your book, your words, as read by her in the audio book. >> the party's voters had been told not to trust election results or election administrators or election lawyers or independent news organizations or political scientists or the courts. they were instead told to put their faith in easily discredited nonsense from a failed and corrupt former president, his conspiratorial allies and conservative media outlets that profited from his propaganda. and so, they did.

>> and so they did. your words. explain to us what you're diagnosing in this book and what the political and potentially authoritarian implications are. >> exactly as you describe it. i think we're looking at a situation right now in which republicans from donald trump to the rest of his party and to his allies, conservative media and others, have taken the systemic approach of not just lying but rewriting the experiences that we all had from january 6th, the federal response to covid, to the trump russia scandal and the impact of that is enormous. it affects legislation. it affects elections, but most importantly, i think it affects democracy because democracy works on a foundation of shared experiences and shared facts. and for that -- for those facts to be corrupted deliberately by partisans affects the very way our political system is supposed to function. >> yeah. it makes a lot of sense, and it's something that is different than just the fact-checking, which has become a big part of the trump era. but goes to why we should be very careful, very serious when

entire political parties want to use propaganda to disappear facts or their own crimes, as i'm careful to say. donald trump wasn't convicted of a coup crime. but a heck of a lot of his fans were. if you have a whole party running to regain power, lying about that, you have a bigger problem than just, oh, exaggerating this or that, as i mentioned in jd vance piece. steve, congratulations on the book, and thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> absolutely. when we come back, is this the year of the woman? we have some special guests, jen psaki and sofia bush, fresh off the dnc, and by the end of the hour, our special guest, prima ballerina misty copeland is the new interviewee in our summit series, and you may know, she has been touted by everyone from the late prince to taylor swift to president obama. nce to taylo to president obama >> good to have friends who will do that for you. if you start acting weird, they're all, like -- >> check you. >> yeah. it's like, what? suddenly you're some prima ballerina? suddenly you're some prima

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no one knows who's going to win the election. indeed, we have to go through it together and see who does what and who votes, but there are signs not only of enthusiasm in the democratic party but a real crystallization of something that we've seen ever since roe fell. women in power demanding more power so men stop taking away their rights. we saw this at the convention. >> i'm telling y'all to do something. >> we believe that reproductive rights are human rights. >> kamala will protect abortion rights nationwide. >> like women across america, we just gsd. get stuff done. >> my daughters and yours deserve every option, every hope, every possible future.

>> we trust women. we trust women. >> we want to turn for a special discussion with two very powerful, interesting, and experienced women, sofia bush was one of the many artists and cultural creators who we saw highlighted at the convention. she's a tv and film veteran, "one tree hill," "john tucker must die," and in politics, she was there, if you follow her on socials, you can get backstage -- bts content. there she is with the first woman speaker of the house. bunch of other cool pictures. "veep." come on now. and jen psaki is, of course, our colleague, but also served as a white house press secretary for president biden. welcome to you both. jen -- >> thanks, ari. >> hometown advantage. i'll go to you first. what does it mean not only to have a woman nominee -- there are women in the republican party -- but to have women's rights at the center right now? >> well, first of all, i love you, ari, i love being on with

you. i love sofia. >> i love you too. >> on a personal level. we're having a love fest. i wish i was there with you guys, but what it means, kamala harris, women see themselves, young women of color see themselves, young men of color see themselves. people also see themselves in somebody who is bold and fearless, and that is powerful. we saw that at the convention. the big contrast -- we talked about this onset, ari. so many people saw themselves at that convention, which is so different from a couple of weeks before. on abortion rights, as you were playing those clips, one of the things i think is so interesting is abortion rights used to be an also-mentioned. people who were speaking at conventions or at events would feel like, and i got to talk about abortion rights and say i believe in a woman's right to choose. now, it has become a front and center issue. it was a dominant issue at the convention. you had these powerful stories from people like hallie duvall and others that people were just crying watching. you know, tear-jerking moments. but also, you had people like

governor pritzker talked about abortion rights more than -- more comfortably than most people i know. he is a billionaire governor of illinois who's obviously a man. this has changed as an issue that is front and center, that people have a comfort and talking about, and that's a big shift. obviously, because of the supreme court decision, but that's a big shift, and we saw that at the convention. >> yeah. how did it feel to you, conventions are a time for nerds? you might self-identify as a nerd. >> deeply, yes. >> but you have a lot of people who look to you and look to those people in culture who aren't political nerds. >> sure. >> and who seem to be tuning in right now. >> one of the things is the privilege of my life -- listen, i love my job as a storyteller, but that's my individual passion. my calling as a citizen of this country is to work on behalf of community, and i've realized what a gift it is to have a platform and to be a policy nerd, because i'm able to help translate why these policies are

so personal, just as jen was mentioning, you know, i think people thought of abortion, reproductive rights on a whole as this sort of bottom shelf, brown bag issue, like, we're going to talk about it in certain circles and not others, but people who have been fed this stream of lies about what reproductive health care looks like have had to look into the faces of american families, look at women who have lost their fallopian tubes, who have gone into sepsis. we've heard the stories of women who have died or nearly died because they haven't been given emergency medical care, and we know that there's no logic to this. you know, you can't say you're a pro-family party and then work to ban ivf. none of this makes any sense. it's about money, control, and power. and if you can't win on policy, you certainly shouldn't be trying to win on killing half the american population. >> yeah. and that goes to, again, are we listening to women? >> yeah. >> you know, i worked in civil rights, and one of the challenges with racial issues is you can go to communities that,

even if people aren't consciously, actively racist, they're not interacting with members of the other communities. so, they really are closed off. with gender, there are women in every community, right? and everyone has a mom and yada, yada, and yet, the women's power and voice has been so truncated, and so we did pull one piece of sound, a classic psaki, that's a saying around here. >> i'm getting a psaki bomb? >> i don't know. >> i don't know if it's a psaki bomb. it's definitely a shot. and if it's a full bomb, only psaki can tell us. but in all seriousness, you used that podium and, of course, you were representing the whole administration and speaking to the whole country. but at times, you spoke as a woman on these issues. let's take a listen. >> who does he believe, then, should look out for the unborn child? >> he believes it's up to a

woman. i know you've never faced those choices or ever been pregnant but for women out there who have faced those choices, this is an incredibly difficult thing. >> jen? >> look, everybody -- my sister has a t-shirt she sometimes wears to the playground that says, everybody knows somebody who has an abortion. that may or may not be true, but most people do, or someone who has struggled with fertility or someone who had a pregnancy that did not go to term where they had to make a difficult choice. this is an issue, as you said, ari, it impacts not only women across the country and women of child-bearing age, whatever you want to call that, but also their grandmothers, also they think about their daughters. husbands think about their wives. boyfriends think about their girlfriends. and this is the part of it that i think is -- was a little bit missing from the political conversation. this is not just a women's issue. it's a societal issue about taking away women's rights to make choices about their own bodies, and even people -- this is so interesting in polls --

who are -- would consider themselves not necessarily in favor of abortion rights don't want that to be taken away from others, and that tells you a lot about where this is right now. but yes, you have to speak to things as a human and as a woman or a man or whatever you may be, because i think that's what connects with people too. >> was it a psaki bomb? >> i don't know. i'm not the arbiter of that, ari. you just have moments. i try to be calm in that briefing room but i'm an irish lass. you have moments where you just got to say the thing. >> i got to ask you, was it a psaki bomb? >> i think so. as an opinionated italian, i understand exactly what jen's talking about. >> i have, like, a minute left, but sophia, we do our fallbacks. the lighters are here. that's how you know you're in a fallback. we got the lighters here. >> i got a whole bowl of them. look at this. >> i want a lighter. >> i'm going to take them home. >> what's on your fallback list in politics?

>> oh my goodness. really, what it is, it's trying to split us up on issues that are human issues, whether we're talking about women and reproductive rights, whether we're talking about access to health care, whether we're talking about this very weird republican talking point that governor walz is somehow not allowed to wear camo anymore because he's on the democratic ticket. i don't know what we're doing here, but we're so much more alike than we are different in this country. and we should understand that we're on the same team, so i actually not only own the hat. i had my own classic vintage camo shirt embroidered with the harris-walz logo. >> meaning you already owned the camo and added the label. >> i sure did. >> where'd you get the camo? >> i used to be part of a family that had a deer ranch outside of texas. i'm a very good tracker, actually, also grew up a sharp shooter, so when people say democrats want to take all your guns away, i'm like, that's not it so much. i think we're having a

conversation that if there's laws around cars, there probably also should be for weapons of war. shocker. >> i mean, in america, you have to get insurance just for owning a car. >> yeah. >> imagine if you did that for guns. >> imagine. >> yeah. >> novel idea. >> sophia bush is a pretty good communicator, jen. >> she's very good. and she uses her platform for good. that's one of the reasons she's amazing. >> next time, in-person, jen. you're very busy. we love having you. thanks for coming on. sophia bush, thanks for being here, and i will remind everyone, you can get "inside jen psaki" on msnbc. later in the hour, misty copeland. but first, corey lewandowski was here last night. we have a fact check for him on the other side of this break. av the other desi of this break (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so my tech and my network need to keep up. thank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on.

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the biggest presidential campaign news this week is trump getting a rfk jr. endorsement, but that can come with baggage. does the trump campaign stand by rfk's many conspiracy theories and covid disinfo? we put that question to a current top trump campaign official who also ran his 2016 campaign, corey lewandowski. this was just last night. here is his answer. >> this is a -- >> is donald trump endorsing rfk jr.'s vaccine conspiracy theories? >> well, rfk jr. has been someone who's been very steadfast in making sure that when it comes to the decisions that affect your body, you get to choose. >> i asked you, though, about

rfk's actual conspiracy theories. >> ari, i'm not here to answer questions for rfk. he's a big man. i think when it comes to rfk, specifically those moms who have young children, they're very concerned about what is being injected into their children, whether it's through the food supply or through these vaccines and rfk has an opportunity to go out and talk about the fact that he was right. the government should not have had to mandate those. we don't know the full impact of what was mandated by the government on the long-term repercussions that it could potentially cause, so we're very much in line with rfk on that position. >> the trump campaign sounding very open to rfk's stance there, even though he has been fact-checked for baseless conspiracy theories. for trump, all of this is intentioned with his own record as president on the same covid vaccine. it is something that president trump touted as amazing. he promoted vaccines as the path out of lockdowns and later said he took the vaccine and also that it was, perhaps, the greatest thing in centuries. >> this is a very successful,

amazing vaccine. it's a great vaccine. it's a safe vaccine, and it's something that works. i recommend taking the vaccines. i did it. it's good. take the vaccines. some say it's the greatest thing to happen in hundreds of years. hundreds of years. ? i trump and now his aides running from trump's record. now, i also pressed corey lewandowski about a falsehood that he made the very last time he was on this program in 2019 on "the beat." we asked about reports that donald trump was interfering with the doj probe through lewandowski. this was back in the mueller era. now, it was very newsworthy. that's not my opinion, but the congress of the united states used that interview as evidence, pressing lewandowski and forced him, under oath, where you can get in a lot of trouble for lying, it can become an offense, under oath, he admitted that he wasn't being truthful and claimed he had no obligation to be honest when he speaks to the media on behalf of donald trump,

who was then president. last night, we gave him the chance to address that, and instead, he dodged questions and deflected. >> i don't ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with jeff sessions or the department of justice in any way, shape, or form, ever. >> that wasn't true, was it, sir? >> i heard that. >> and that was not true, was it? >> i have no obligation to be honest with the media because they're just as dishonest as anybody else. perhaps i was inaccurate that time. >> do you admit that you were stating that falsely at the time? >> here's the deal, man. >> if you admit under oath that you were not telling the truth, it is relevant now, and now you seem to be unable to address that. >> ari, listen, we've been down this path. >> we haven't. this is your first time back since the path. >> that interview was four-plus -- almost five years ago to the day, to be very honest with you. >> this is now your chance to address this and you're not addressing it. that's fine. we gave him the chance, and he, as the current representative of donald trump's campaign.

that is what it looks like when you're caught lying. corey lewandowski. and liars have a way of trying to run and deflect and dodge and deal with anything but the fact that he was caught lying. it would be easy for anyone to hear, i guess it was a long time and maybe we move on, but that's the strategy. in many of these legal probes, they delay, deny, run, and if finally caught or under the pressure of subpoena, some of them show up, and when he showed up, he had to admit, as you saw there under oath, that he was not honest when asked about that very relevant question about whether trump was using him to interfere with a doj probe. in other words, a big, important thing. last night, we gave mr. lewandowski plenty of time to discuss the campaign and other issues. we when we got to that one, he couldn't answer the question.

he couldn't with perhaps knowing donald trump is known to watch television interviews and here he was on live tv unable to account for getting caught lying before. now, again, if anyone has any questions or any doubt, here is the moment when the lawyer in congress pressed lewandowski, and he had to admit he did not tell the truth. >> that wasn't true, was it, sir? >> i heard that. >> and that was not true, was it? >> i have no obligation to be honest with the media because they're just as dishonest as anybody else. perhaps i was inaccurate that time. >> apparently, that is a forum where you will get a direct and even honest answer from mr. lewandowski, under oath where lying to congress is a crime, where since then, other trump aides have actually gone to federal prison for issues related to misleading congress and/or, in the case of two of them in the jan 6th probe, just not showing up at all to do what he did, to cooperate, and that

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we have a special guest tonight, the legendary and ground breaking dancer and ballerina making history as the first black ballerina to achieve it in 2015. an activist for diversity and dance and working through a foundation of ambassador of the boys and girl's club and author of life in motion and the wind at my back: my relationship with the trail blazer and documented in black barbie on netflix now. misty copeland. you started ballet at age 13? >> yes that sounds young to

plenty of people but maybe isn't for ballet explain. >> i would say similarly to gymnastics or any sport it is something that you start young, you know, you really start to become a part of the culture and understand how to navigate through that space. but, with ballet in particular it is important to be able to shape the body as you are training it and getting it so the technique is engrained so i don't know you are a teenager you think about what it is to be an artist. it is not just athletics it is artistry and telling a story through movement. for me to start 13 that is considered ancient in ballet. >> is that coming from teachers or peers saying it is late? >> the culture. the community. the ballet, you know, industry. that is very late to start. >> so in your first competition you were about 15. we have a clip let's take a

look. ♪ . ♪ . >> how . >> how do you remember feeling then? [ laughter ] >> it was such an incredible experience. i mean, i think being on a stage is where i feel most alive and at home and again i keep using the word safe, there is a safety being on the stage and in a studio for me. so, in that moment i remember just feeling like this, this could be what my future is. >> when you talk about what is considered sometimes the high arts, the renaissance of the dance and painting from that period in italy in what you are drawing on, right? then coming over to america and coming other places and it is being evolved and people are told they should look like what? the girls in france? from then? it is sort of funny. >> yes.

>> i invite you to speak on that at all as well as reading one more point from your memoir where you said quote suddenly as you were going through this, my blackness was a problem. i was painting my skin a different color. taking ivory based foundation used by one of the other girls and layering it on my face and arms to lighten my skin. all of that for your thoughts? >> yeah. you know, i think that you look at this art form as you said, it is coming from europe and now it has become here in america it is part of our culture as well. it has become an american art form. you know, american ballet theater being one of the companies. one of the companies to help it evolve and to be part of american culture. so, with that it, the people who are part of it that has to evolve as well. you know the audience members if you want to see this plain tained and stay alive and stay

relevant these people who are coming in and spending all of this money they want to see themselves represented and their stories told. >> you had a fan in the white house, a couple years back. black opulance you and are sitting with obama. we can tell you here in the news room it is hard to get any obama interview, five minutes, whatever. you have done that, right? >> yes. >> let's take a look at you and obama, 2017. >> what i try to transmit to my kids is that issues of race, discrimination, all of those things are real and you have to understand them and you have to be knowledgeable about them. >> i feel like my mom covered everything with me. being biracial she made it very clear to me yes, you are italian and german and you are black but you are going to be

viewed by the world and by society as a black woman and you should be prepared for that. >> it is wonderful the potential dancer can see you can do that. >> what was it like being with president barack obama? what did that mean to you? >> it is incredible to be able to be in a space where you can see yourself through the president, you feel connected in that he is human and to me that is so important, so valuable for our people and so it was incredible just to sit down and have a conversation with you know, someone who is biracial, black man, raising young black girls and having conversations about real experiences and where do we go from here and what do we do about these issues of body image, especially with young girls of color.

it was incredible. >> you doing ballet at the highest level within that art form is one thing, that is a top thing, you doing it in these other venues and stadiums simultaneous it is reaching more people seeing ballet there than the original live performance. let's take a look at some of your other collaborations [music] ♪ how can i explain myself ♪ c♪ ♪can i go where ♪can i go where you go ♪ can you always be this close ♪ ♪ ♪

. >> . >> that goes on. that is great. prince, taylor, drake, what does it mean to put the art in front of a different wider audience and can you share everything that came out of all of that, i am sure different people might not have seen you elsewhere. >> again, that has been my goal, you know, that, that this is, this is a bigger opportunity, you know, and of course you know, i have been asked if it is accepted by, you know, the ballet community and i don't care. >> did you get push back? drake video, that is not ballet. what did you hear? >> certain stages we should be on and that, you know it can bring down the level of excellence or whatever it is and in my mind, prince was the first artist that i worked with. >> you think he set what they

noticed? >> there have been collaborations in the past. it is different when there is a black woman doing these collaborations and what that means. >> before i let you get out of here we do a lightning round which is quicker in a word or a sentence. favorite ballet role? >> juliet. >> president barack obama. >> the man. >> prince. >> genius. >> these are some from will ballet. >> peloma >> my idol. >> failure means? >> another opportunity to try again. >> success means? >> there is even more work to be done. >> and finally, reaching the summit means? >> this is what we are pliant to be doing. yes. >> whatever that is for you as

a person >> right. >> misty copeland thank you for being here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> really interesting and plenty of food for thought. you can see the website. msnbc.com/summit. later tonight we will post that entire interview if you saw anything you liked or want to share it with anyone, book it. our playlist with all of the recent stuff is msnbc.com/ari. easy enough to remember you might not need to write it down. thank you for joining us, the reidout starts now. reidout starts now. . tonight . tonight on the reidout. >> thank you, guys, thank you very much. we got, sounds like we got fans and haters, that is okay. >> when vice president harris and i in